Episode 15 – The Success Series | Why Investing in Marketing Early Changed Everything
When Dr. Murphy opened her practice from scratch, she made the bold decision to invest in marketing from day one. Three years later, her practice has exceeded new patient goals every month, giving her the lifestyle and work–life balance she wanted from the start.
In this conversation with Dr. Lee Brown, Dr. Murphy shares:
- Why she didn’t wait to invest in marketing
- How PatientCaptureNow and custom campaigns accelerated her growth
- The difference between cookie-cutter marketing vs. a personalized approach
- The impact on her practice, patients, and family life
Thinking about starting or growing your practice? Hear Dr. Murphy’s story and see why having the right marketing partner makes all the difference.
00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:08.559 It was clear to me that if I wanted to expedite the timeline to get to a very 00:00:05.680 --> 00:00:12.719 successful practice, we needed to invest right from the beginning. One of the big 00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:18.160 takeaways from all the coaching and consulting that I've worked with folks 00:00:15.040 --> 00:00:24.160 in the past has been get get a good marketing team and don't sit around and 00:00:20.560 --> 00:00:27.920 wait coming from nothing. We've never not hit our new patient goals like from 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:33.520 from day one. Well, hey everybody. I'm so excited to 00:00:29.840 --> 00:00:37.840 be here with Dr. Murphy. Um, this is really kind of cool for for us to be 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:43.120 here together, Doc, because I remember three years ago us sitting together uh 00:00:41.120 --> 00:00:47.440 at a table at an event and you getting ready to to scratch start your practice, 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:50.559 right? And and you were having discussions, you know, how am I going to 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:54.079 do this? Am I going to be volume? Am I going to be more boutique and and really 00:00:52.480 --> 00:00:58.399 just lean into that patient experience and quality care? and like I didn't 00:00:56.239 --> 00:01:02.879 chime in at all, but you knew the answer and and you knew that you wanted to 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:07.680 create uh a special place that was that was different from the average practice. 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:11.680 Um so before we talk about the the marketing and everything else, I mean, 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:16.560 how you feeling three years in? Yeah, things have been have been great. 00:01:14.960 --> 00:01:22.159 We're really close to that three-year mark in another couple months. And every 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:29.040 it seems every decision we were talking about then has has just um you know been 00:01:26.159 --> 00:01:34.240 been beneficial tenfold. It's it's been really really good. And you know to see 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:40.000 the success in in the numbers but also the the quality of life that comes from 00:01:37.360 --> 00:01:44.000 it, the type of dentistry, the what I can do for my family with all of it has 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:47.920 been it's been wonderful. Well, it's it's no surprise. I have to 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:52.079 say that just just knowing you and the fact that you number one invest in your 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:56.399 clinical skills um and your personal development. Um but you're also very 00:01:54.079 --> 00:02:01.200 smart in the fact that you knew that you can't wait for the practice to get busy 00:01:59.520 --> 00:02:05.759 to invest in marketing. You knew kind of from day one um that was important to do 00:02:04.079 --> 00:02:10.239 if you wanted to build it the right way. So, you know, why was that so important 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:14.720 to you? And how did how was your mindset to to understand that you had to invest 00:02:12.720 --> 00:02:19.040 in this versus thinking of it as, oh, I have to to spend money on this? 00:02:17.760 --> 00:02:23.760 Yeah. No, you're you're right, Lee. I was I was thinking um you know, last 00:02:21.200 --> 00:02:27.280 night like if I had to go back and tell maybe not three years ago, me cuz I 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:32.800 didn't just graduate from school then, but earlier me like what what would be 00:02:30.160 --> 00:02:39.200 the like the two most beneficial things to do? and and you just remind me of a 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:44.959 third which is invest in yourself the clinical clinical skills with that 00:02:41.920 --> 00:02:49.519 advancing way beyond dental school. Um, and the two I was really thinking about 00:02:46.720 --> 00:02:54.560 last night were the like the coaching consulting side of things and the 00:02:51.200 --> 00:02:59.680 marketing. And one of the big takeaways from all the coaching and consulting 00:02:56.720 --> 00:03:05.120 that I've worked with folks in the past has been like get get a good marketing 00:03:02.319 --> 00:03:10.959 team and don't sit around and wait for it because you can struggle and you can 00:03:07.040 --> 00:03:15.599 do things the the hard way. Um, but I'm I I wanted to just, 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:18.959 you know, not not uh create things myself, but copy what other people were 00:03:17.440 --> 00:03:25.440 were doing really well and have the same successes as them. So, it was it was 00:03:21.680 --> 00:03:31.440 clear to me that if I wanted to expedite the timeline to get to a very successful 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:34.799 practice, we needed to invest right from the beginning. 00:03:32.640 --> 00:03:38.640 So, well said because as as dentists, right, we're like, you know, we're like 00:03:36.959 --> 00:03:42.400 little engineers, right? And we think that if we just do an amazing job, which 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:45.440 we're dedicated to do, which you just talked about investing in yourself and 00:03:43.760 --> 00:03:49.200 your skills, that the whole world's going to just automatically know about 00:03:47.040 --> 00:03:52.400 it. Uh, but we have to show them. We have to tell them there has to be a 00:03:50.400 --> 00:03:55.519 story. The reality is nobody's just walking into practices anymore. They're 00:03:54.080 --> 00:03:59.439 going to visit you online. They're going to look at your your online presence. 00:03:57.519 --> 00:04:04.239 So, the fact that you knew from the beginning is just another reason you're 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:08.319 so successful. So, it's awesome to see. But then the other question is there's 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:13.519 so many options out there. You and I both know this from from running a 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:18.000 practice. You can get the $999 bundle and get the cookie cutter web 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:21.040 page and just like everything looks the same post sort of thing and it's it's 00:04:19.840 --> 00:04:26.320 out there. It's better than doing nothing. But when you want to be at that 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:30.479 that next level and you want to get there faster, you know, how did you kind 00:04:28.320 --> 00:04:34.880 of view some of the, you know, the dock in the box type stuff versus like, hey, 00:04:32.400 --> 00:04:40.320 let's be unique here. Let's be special. Sure. Yeah. I know I you know when we 00:04:36.960 --> 00:04:44.720 when we first started um of course I knew of MDA from working with my dad for 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:49.600 a while previously um had great experiences with them. So in my mind I 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:55.040 knew this is a relationship I'm going to get into for the long haul. Um it's a 00:04:53.280 --> 00:04:58.639 significant investment starting from scratch. 00:04:56.639 --> 00:05:03.520 I don't know like can I justify it on day one or is that like a year one year 00:05:01.520 --> 00:05:09.520 two? I didn't I didn't know when. So I actually started out exclusively with 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:12.880 somebody else and worked with them for I think it was like two months, two or 00:05:11.759 --> 00:05:17.360 three months and like you said it was better than nothing and I was learning 00:05:14.479 --> 00:05:23.199 all the all the other things. My very first practice plus first scratch 00:05:19.440 --> 00:05:28.800 practice um drinking from a fire hose is is an understatement. And after those 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:33.199 couple months it was it was very clear that they weren't uh you know not not to 00:05:31.840 --> 00:05:37.120 put them down. kind of just that that wasn't their specialty. They were very 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:41.919 much so put you in a box and just do the same thing for everybody. And I was 00:05:39.280 --> 00:05:46.080 looking for more of a a personalized customized, you know, interaction where 00:05:44.479 --> 00:05:51.280 we could have, you know, calls like this. We get on the phone on Zoom, 00:05:49.520 --> 00:05:56.960 definitely more than once a quarter, but now once a quarter moving forward and 00:05:53.039 --> 00:06:01.680 and emailing almost daily in between, they're they're there and and I didn't 00:05:59.039 --> 00:06:07.360 get that from from somebody else. I've had other other ideas throughout these 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:11.199 last few years of, you know, hey, I've, you know, gone through this large 00:06:09.280 --> 00:06:14.720 surgical course. I want to actually do this stuff. I want to advertise to 00:06:12.880 --> 00:06:19.440 people that I know how to do it, that I'm good at doing these things, like you 00:06:17.280 --> 00:06:25.199 said, not just be an engineer behind the scenes. and they they had have had great 00:06:22.479 --> 00:06:28.560 ideas throughout throughout the this time together of being creative and 00:06:27.440 --> 00:06:32.479 well, you know, we've done something similar with somebody else or we've 00:06:29.919 --> 00:06:37.039 never done this before. Give us a few days, we'll think about it and get back 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:42.240 to you on how we can we can roll with your new ideas. So, very very customized 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:47.120 in their approach to what I want to do as we continually evolve every every 00:06:45.440 --> 00:06:52.400 month. In these early stages, things change a lot and they've they've rolled 00:06:50.479 --> 00:06:57.360 with those punches really well. Boy, I feel like you nailed it with the 00:06:54.160 --> 00:07:04.880 word evolve. Um, they obviously have a very specific skill set, which we all 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:10.000 need, but their ability to dial in as we continue to work together on who you 00:07:07.599 --> 00:07:14.160 are, who your practice is becoming, and and always asking that questions and 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:18.720 staying out in front. and I feel like I had the same experience and have the 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:23.599 same experience with them. Um, and and that's what feels different to me. Um, 00:07:21.360 --> 00:07:27.840 is there anything else you can think of, you know, over these past few years and 00:07:25.520 --> 00:07:33.120 time together that you're like, man, they did this for me or this came up or 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:38.560 was their idea um that that you just don't see maybe from uh the traditional 00:07:36.240 --> 00:07:42.319 dental marketing team? You know, I I guess I'm I'm fortunate that I don't 00:07:40.400 --> 00:07:46.800 know a ton about the traditional marketing 00:07:43.840 --> 00:07:52.240 aspect of it. Um I've heard the woes of it from other friends and colleagues. Um 00:07:50.080 --> 00:07:58.960 I I think that kind of the big things that that seem to stand out to me is my 00:07:56.080 --> 00:08:05.440 my friends don't necessarily have different specific quantifiable markers 00:08:02.720 --> 00:08:11.199 of their success. you know, to be able to say the phone rang this many more 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:17.120 times and it's this percentage this year versus last year or this quarter versus 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:21.199 Q1, Q2, however we're we're looking at it. And then you scheduled from those 00:08:19.599 --> 00:08:25.520 calls, you know, same thing. This percent is just this number. It's, you 00:08:23.520 --> 00:08:30.000 know, nice that it's only 5%, but actually 5% translates to how many more 00:08:27.919 --> 00:08:36.560 calls and how many more dollars from those calls. Um, so, so to be able to 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:40.399 really look at at those stats makes makes me feel like, okay, it isn't just 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:45.760 a lofty, yeah, we're doing great. Keep it up. It's working. Well, yeah, but 00:08:42.640 --> 00:08:49.200 like working compared to to what? I don't care about the other practices. I 00:08:47.040 --> 00:08:55.519 care about my practice and are we doing better than than we did last year. Um, 00:08:52.080 --> 00:09:01.519 and also the the um the type of patients that we're able to attract has been 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:07.839 huge. I I had a a good sense of what kind of patient I wanted in in the 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:14.320 practice, who that that avatar was, if you will. And um they've been able to 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:19.120 help us more more so organically get those types of folks to be picking up 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:24.880 the phone, calling in. they're already based on marketing, they're already more 00:09:21.680 --> 00:09:29.519 pre-sold on us being the right place, on the type of dentistry that they think 00:09:26.640 --> 00:09:34.880 they need that like I'm the one that can do that for them. Um, so it makes 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:38.080 everything from start to finish that much easier just by attracting the right 00:09:36.800 --> 00:09:43.680 person. They're they're the right fit for us and we're the right fit for them. 00:09:39.760 --> 00:09:47.680 So well said. Um, and and trying to calculate ROI, you know, is a is a 00:09:45.680 --> 00:09:50.320 common question. And it's it's nice to have markers so you can literally look 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:54.320 at it and be like, "All right, this was worth it." Now, as you and I both know, 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:57.760 there's a thousand things that they do that I'll never be able to quite put 00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:02.800 that dollar amount on, but you know, it's it's generating internal referrals 00:10:00.959 --> 00:10:07.040 and and and in cases and things like that. But it's always nice as business 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:10.320 owners to be able to say, "This is what we invested. This is the calls that 00:10:09.120 --> 00:10:13.680 created. these are the people that scheduled, this is the treatment that 00:10:11.600 --> 00:10:18.079 was scheduled, and you're like, "Oh, this makes sense, right? Just being 00:10:15.760 --> 00:10:23.120 responsible." So, um, and and along those same lines, um, 00:10:21.360 --> 00:10:29.200 doctors are always asking, right? How do you how do you maximize, uh, the 00:10:26.880 --> 00:10:33.760 investment? You know, what do you feel like has has helped you get the most 00:10:30.959 --> 00:10:36.800 from MDA? I know patient capture now for us has been amazing as far as more 00:10:35.440 --> 00:10:40.399 immediate patient engagement because it's busy on the phones, things like 00:10:38.640 --> 00:10:43.600 that. But what do you feel like for you has been something that's really been a 00:10:41.839 --> 00:10:48.640 great leverage point? I think like having the regular calls 00:10:46.399 --> 00:10:54.079 with them and doing the stuff that they tell you to do. Um I mean it's it's not 00:10:51.839 --> 00:10:59.600 rocket science if you just do the work. They they are really good at laying it 00:10:56.640 --> 00:11:02.640 out. They're really good at prompting me with, you know, what what are you 00:11:01.040 --> 00:11:07.040 seeing? Like boots on the ground, what's happening in your practice? And and all 00:11:05.040 --> 00:11:11.040 they have to do is just think and say, well, I, you know, I don't know. I I 00:11:08.959 --> 00:11:16.160 would like to do some more of this type of procedure. We're getting more 00:11:14.320 --> 00:11:19.839 interest in this stuff, but I don't really want to do that or what, whatever 00:11:17.360 --> 00:11:25.040 it is. and just just having a an honest conversation with them, telling them 00:11:21.760 --> 00:11:28.959 what I'm seeing, what I want to do, and they're they're great at figuring out 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:32.800 what what can we do from there to actually have those things happen. Um, 00:11:31.040 --> 00:11:38.000 you know, patient capture now has been really really beneficial. Um, I think 00:11:35.680 --> 00:11:45.519 it's it's been important to have a designated person who runs that that 00:11:41.839 --> 00:11:50.399 aspect of of the front desk team. um just to keep it keep it consistent. Um I 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:55.120 think that that came probably as a suggestion from MDA of just to train 00:11:53.440 --> 00:12:01.040 train everybody but have one person be the person that owns that that role and 00:11:58.160 --> 00:12:04.640 and they run with it and it's it's worked for her for sure. But when when 00:12:04.640 --> 00:12:06.320 on when on when on when on when on when on when on when on when on when on when 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:11.920 once she's figured out how to do it, it's it's been it's been really really 00:12:08.880 --> 00:12:17.920 beneficial. they've created a a similar um well for us with a implant campaign 00:12:15.760 --> 00:12:22.160 um implant survey type of thing and that's been that I mean that's been 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:27.519 great because I've really enjoyed the surgical side of the practice and that 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:33.200 gives us another funnel specifically for for those procedures and um just matches 00:12:31.760 --> 00:12:36.720 in really well with everything else that they're they're doing for us. 00:12:34.800 --> 00:12:40.160 Um that's awesome to hear. You're right. Having the the one team member, that's 00:12:38.880 --> 00:12:43.680 what it has to come down to. Everybody can do it, but one person owns it. 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:47.680 That's very well said. Um and the implant funnel. Wow. When they came out 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:52.560 with that, that's just been like, you know, gasoline on a fire because you're 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:56.959 you're getting these pre-qualified patients. Um you know, and it's it's 00:12:55.279 --> 00:13:01.680 just a great system that they have that way. And uh you know, the the thing we 00:13:00.160 --> 00:13:04.639 think about in traditional dental marketing, right, is is about new 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:08.959 patients, right? and and we're always trying to calculate that ROI and 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:14.880 everything else and we talked about that, but you know, we I think there's 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:20.639 something bigger about what they do, you know, and and the strategy of of MDA um 00:13:18.560 --> 00:13:24.800 supporting new dentistry like implants and things like that, but what do you 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:28.639 feel like has been this I almost want to say undersold value of MDA, you know, 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:32.240 like what do you feel like has really been something that like I didn't expect 00:13:30.160 --> 00:13:36.720 this benefit, but bam, here we are coming from 00:13:34.160 --> 00:13:41.120 nothing, like zero zero patients. When we open, I didn't inherit anything. 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:47.200 We've never not hit our new patient goals like from from day one. I mean, 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:53.040 literally like day one, I had a full schedule of new patients. Um, which is 00:13:49.680 --> 00:13:57.120 awesome. How how many people can can can do that? And and then, you know, we 00:13:55.200 --> 00:14:02.480 talked about like I didn't start with them. So that just came from mailers and 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:07.360 a lot of heavy lifting on the the month or two before we actually opened up. Um 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:13.120 so they weren't great quality full schedule. Um but as that that 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:18.240 transition switched into them and watching that organic shift, you know, 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:23.600 takes time with with digital marketing, any marketing, but especially digital 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:29.279 after I mean it was probably only a couple months or so um to see that the 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:34.399 PE people were calling in because they were they were reading things online 00:14:31.680 --> 00:14:38.240 just on on our website whereas before nobody went to the website. everything's 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:43.680 funneled people through the website. So now we can we can put anything to 00:14:41.199 --> 00:14:48.320 advertise me or my team or the the work we're doing or the um you just our 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:55.199 different approach to the new patient aspect to we we really um draw in folks 00:14:52.560 --> 00:15:00.399 with extreme dental anxiety and fears and and that that kind. And so it seems 00:14:57.360 --> 00:15:04.720 to speak wonders to to those folks to be able to go from wherever they found us 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:08.959 on the web to the website, see all that, see videos, you know, like like this at 00:15:06.560 --> 00:15:12.800 MDA. I didn't know that was a a thing to have them do videos where they can see 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:16.959 me, they can hear me talking, see I'm not just some, you know, face like 00:15:15.199 --> 00:15:23.120 plastered on a billboard somewhere, but a real person. Um I yeah I I guess I I 00:15:20.399 --> 00:15:27.600 didn't really think about how it all all of it comes together and and we talk 00:15:25.199 --> 00:15:32.160 about the the different funnels and flows through marketing whatever all 00:15:29.040 --> 00:15:37.680 those those words but it actually it all compounds and it all fits together very 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:41.839 seamlessly. People will come in all the time and say oh I didn't know this about 00:15:39.680 --> 00:15:45.760 you or you guys are doing that and I how do you know that? I mean, I guess it's 00:15:44.079 --> 00:15:51.759 out there in some some little aspect, but they they really they move the right 00:15:48.560 --> 00:15:56.079 people through the right areas um all on the digital side of it through the 00:15:53.839 --> 00:16:00.560 website and Facebook and and the specific targeted ads that each person 00:15:58.560 --> 00:16:05.199 gets to have pop up on their phone. Well, it's just it's it's awesome to to 00:16:02.959 --> 00:16:08.639 hear your perspective, hear your story. Um, and I'm glad we're putting it out 00:16:06.880 --> 00:16:13.440 there to the world because I know it's going to inspire other doctors, other 00:16:11.040 --> 00:16:18.480 teams to do the same thing. And it's just it's really really cool. And and I 00:16:16.240 --> 00:16:22.800 say this as as a friend and then as a as a peer watching you, like I'm super 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:26.560 impressed. I'm super proud of you. Like so cool to see your journey and you're 00:16:24.560 --> 00:16:30.480 so smart to invest in yourself and your practice the way you do. Um, so thanks 00:16:29.040 --> 00:16:36.240 for for sharing anything. Anything else you want to add to to inspire people to 00:16:32.959 --> 00:16:40.800 to do the same? Yeah, I I think the average 00:16:37.920 --> 00:16:46.720 startup is probably told to do all these different things. I I feel like I didn't 00:16:43.759 --> 00:16:52.160 listen to hardly any of that. And marketing has been a huge one of those. 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:57.680 And I think really like just that side of it, it would have taken us probably 5 00:16:54.800 --> 00:17:01.519 to 10 years to get to where we did revenue-wise in the first 2 to 3 years. 00:17:00.160 --> 00:17:06.160 You know, it's not just about the money, but the money lets you have the 00:17:03.600 --> 00:17:11.839 lifestyle you want and only working. You I work four days a 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:15.839 week, being home for dinner with the kids, and taking lots of time off for 00:17:13.760 --> 00:17:20.880 vacation. And it it lets you have all that. So, I'm I'm really happy that I 00:17:18.959 --> 00:17:26.400 that I did it. I would have done it from day one if I could rewind 00:17:23.760 --> 00:17:30.240 three years, but you know, month two is is is still pretty good. 00:17:28.480 --> 00:17:34.960 Pretty awesome. That's pretty awesome. Awesome stuff, Doc. Thank you so much. 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:38.880 Keep crushing it. All right, let's let's uh let's get back together again soon so 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:43.559 you can tell me more success stories. Sounds good. 00:17:40.080 --> 00:17:43.559 We'll see you soon.

